How to cast for long distances with a conventional reel :)

[marlintuna]

It's awesome to see the Jigmaster mentioned because for about 60 bucks a properly tuned and finesed Jigmaster will throw just as well or better than the 300 buck reels out there and even under the poorest maintenence and under the worst conditions. It's not about how hard you throw with any reel, it's about practice and finese. Like a lot of guys I like to let the light or heavy iron hit the deck behind me then just give it a good lob, point the tip of the pole at my target and give the reel a twist at the end so the handle is pointing at the deck. Proper thumb pressure is all feel and pratice and specific to the reel being used. Every reel is different. The only other reel I liked since is the Daiwa Sealine series for both throwing plastics, for a fast retrieve "yo yo" or for distance throwing a ironnear working birds. The spool they use works independent and uses roller bearings. High ratio makes it great for Southern Cal Iron. Oops, sorry for the long wind, interesting thread and cool forum. Thanks for letting me voice.

[cst]

dont forget the pen 525 to 555 reels

[WreckinBall]

Originally Posted by NulodPBall

The side of the boat is lined with HUSF members but no line is in the water...the call comes out "JIGS AWAYYYYY!" and all of the sudden, like a rain of arrows, fourty TADY-45's sail through the air in a perfect line, all of them going 200 yards, and many of the rods get bent immediately as the barracuda boil switches to the sea of blue-and-white jigs that suddenly appears

Ray, did you bump your head, or have you been drinkin'?
J/K witcha

Originally Posted by tompayne

Why the hell would you want to cast over 100 yards? If you're talking about casting on open party boats and you have to cast that far, your captain sucks. If you're talkin about from shore and have to cast that long, buy a float tube. Other then that, I have no clue why you'd need to cast that far, can someone inform me?
Tom

I'll take a crack at that one, Tom. Ever fished for Tuna on the hook? I have, and on more than one occasion the fish were 75-100 yards out (which does not mean the captain sucked, BTW )and the options for getting bit were either a long soak with live bait, a kite or balloon, or an air-mailed jig or popper. For myself and those like me, when we see 50-100 pounders boiling, we like to go to the pointy end and throw jigs at 'em. To get bit this way, it takes a long-a$$ cast to not just get to the boils, but to get past them, so on the retrieve the jig can swim through the fish and hopefully entice a strike. That's why long casts are useful, but 100 yard casts are rare, and fly from few hands.

Originally Posted by fishinkid

casting is a art not a science throw your tady 45s away and stock up on the salas 7x s go get yourself a old style avet jx narrow 4/0 or a jig master now a properly tuned jigmaster will outcast your overpriced trinidads and the drags last longer.

I'm with ya on the jig selection there fishinkid, but you lost me on the Trinidad/jigmaster drag comparison. Trinidad (16/20/30) drag discs are about twice the diameter of jigmaster discs and make nearly twice the pressure. After the Cal Sheets and Carbontex upgrades it goes beyond twice the pressure, and they last twice as long as the jigmaster drags. Also, a "properly tuned" Trinidad rolls pretty smooth and has a faster retrieve than a jigmaster, even after putting aftermarket gears in it. Jigmasters are great, I still have a bunch of them, but a Jigmaster is not the reel I think of first when I think of chucking surface iron at big fish. And why not? I'll tell you...small drags. For smaller grade YT, YFT, BBB's, even WSB, the jigmaster is good to go, but For fishing 40# and above, I'm using a reel that makes more than 15lbs. of drag, and that leaves the jigmaster about 6lbs. short.
I have an opinion and I'm just saying it.

Originally Posted by marlintuna

It's awesome to see the Jigmaster mentioned because for about 60 bucks a properly tuned and finesed Jigmaster will throw just as well or better than the 300 buck reels out there and even under the poorest maintenence and under the worst conditions. It's not about how hard you throw with any reel, it's about practice and finese.

Amen, brother.

Originally Posted by cst

dont forget the pen 525 to 555 reels

OK, you have obviously been drinkin'

[fishtaco]

Well, I don't wanna be a show off but 100 yards is easy, my friend Richad oucast me with a lesat 30 more, we use the same combo rod,reel,line and jigs
- sometimes the yellowtail are boat shy and if you can't cast far away, bottom fishing for sandab is the other option...

You have to match rod line jig and reel to get the distance and practice,
what do we preffer?
Rod Calstar 90j or Casltar 690 j The new models are better
Sabre 20-40 8 ft or longer ( a cannon)
Line 30# p-line
Jig : tady 45 blue or mint (the mint matches the calstar rod color )
Reel: this may be the most important element, Newell 322 narrow
or if you can't find it 332 will do for yellow tail, for others a newell 220 with 20 # test, I have all kinds of reels form Jigmasters to Internationals and for this particular type of fishing, they stay home.

[NulodPBall]

Originally Posted by marlintuna

... Like a lot of guys I like to let the light or heavy iron hit the deck behind me then just give it a good lob, point the tip of the pole at my target and give the reel a twist at the end so the handle is pointing at the deck...

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Actually, a really important skill is the ability to cast over a hundred yards...underhanded. I can't do it, but I've seen a deckhand do it with my rig on a full boat with my Tady 45

I would imagine that the underhanded cast would solve the problem of scaring the other people on the boat, and allow you to cast far when you have superstructure behind you...or a guy tossing bait

[fishtaco]

yep, is not the gear, it helps, but some guys are just gifted, let's say I give you Tiger woods' golf gear and expect you to perform just like him, no way jose. takes practice. and some guys just got it.

Here's what I do, (hopefully save you some time)
Remember to wet the line to avoid burning your finger ok?

unlock the reel and hold the line with your thumb
leave the jig dangling like 24 inches away from the tip of the rod
pull back and cast , let go the thumb for a split second, as the jig leaves, and put your thumb back again to prevent bird net as the line goes out, release thumb again for another split second and put it back again as the jig hits the floor (assuming you are at a park practicing) for beach or surf casting use a small reel, the smaller and lighter the spool of a conventional reel the longer it casts, the light spool and bearings of the Newells are just unbeatable, but if you want a spinning use the tica dolphin 5000 with braided line 65 # look for long distance casting at youtube.com or go to your library for long casting books.. good luck and good fishing

[tompayne]

I'm not sure if this is correct or obvious because I just learned to cast with conventional gear, but you also have to make sure the reel's breaks are adjust properly as well right? I hope I'm right cuz then I'd feel like I payed attention while learning

Tom

[cst]

Originally Posted by tompayne

I'm not sure if this is correct or obvious because I just learned to cast with conventional gear, but you also have to make sure the reel's breaks are adjust properly as well right? I hope I'm right cuz then I'd feel like I payed attention while learning

Tom

yep, you must have paid attention in class

the more breaks you have on, the slower the spool will spin and your distance will reduce quite a bit but if you are bad at casting, it's better that way because having the breaks off will result in a 10 foot cast with a really bad backlash

[tompayne]

I see. Well I was right for my situation then hehe. If I need to cast 100 yards then I'm just gonna buy an inexpensive RC boat and tie the jig to the back. When I get my distance I'll pull the quick release and drop the jig in the fishes face, cuz I'm a technical gen-eye-us like that

Tom

[MOBassman]

Originally Posted by tompayne

I see. Well I was right for my situation then hehe. If I need to cast 100 yards then I'm just gonna buy an inexpensive RC boat and tie the jig to the back. When I get my distance I'll pull the quick release and drop the jig in the fishes face, cuz I'm a technical gen-eye-us like that

Tom

People out here used to use RC boats to get their bait right up against the dam. It's illegal to do that, here, now. I guess the state thought they were pulling too many big catfish out with that setup.

[marlintuna]

Originally Posted by NulodPBall

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Actually, a really important skill is the ability to cast over a hundred yards...underhanded. I can't do it, but I've seen a deckhand do it with my rig on a full boat with my Tady 45

I would imagine that the underhanded cast would solve the problem of scaring the other people on the boat, and allow you to cast far when you have superstructure behind you...or a guy tossing bait

Yeh, that's a great way and I can do it (and do on a full boat) but staying on topic for someone trying to learn I stand by learning with the most basic setup and technique, a Jigmaster or similar on a 7ft boat pole then step up to learning distance on a 8' or 9' (I used a Calstar Graphighter L 8' or custom 9') stick with a Newell, Sealine or your favorite rod/reel jigstick combo. Always be sure to yell low bridge before any overhead cast on any boat and respect the captain or crew's rules. Most Captain's only allow overhead casting in front of the bait tank. Show extra care when the deckhand is up on the bait tank. I took a light (iron) in the ear once that fortunately grazed it but is exactly why show care. If you can cast underhand long distances great, it's a excellent technique on any crowded boat.

[fishtaco]

I agree with that, for beginners, try a Jigmaster with a 8 to 9 ft rod, with a 3 oz torpedo sinker, on 30 test, get used to the feel of 30# test line, and get some 50 yards, before trying a samaller diameter, is all in the thumb, do not use the brakes, it confuses your thumb sensitivity t pressure/spool

Remember, a smaller spool with great bearings cast longer get a Newell reel
dude. save some time and frustation and get ready for the yellows

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